I’m loving the conversation about #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear. It’s hard to hear the stories–and frustrating when people protest that “not all Christians…” or “but what about X religion?” without pausing to listen.
And yet… it’s helpful to hear women express the frustration of being told that the genders are equally honored–while one group is made to serve, look attractive for, and help the other. When they share their experiences, people get told that they misunderstood, are hurting their community, or are disobeying leaders/God.
So the sheer weight and litany is helpful. Below are comments that echo my experience and that of my friends, in evangelical communities, homeschool groups, or pastoral households, in Bible studies and a Christian family:
First off, the school and career advice.
Wanting to travel means you should be a missionary; passion for research means you could be a librarian.
When you grow up do you want to be a pastor’s wife, missionary wife, Sunday School Teacher, or organist? #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Christy Caine (@bethulia1) April 20, 2017
Girls don’t need to learn algebra, they’re just going to be wives and homeschool moms. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Kathryn Brightbill✒ (@KEBrightbill) April 20, 2017
IF you go to college, you should major in something that will help you as a stay at home mom #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Lindsey Kelemen (@Lindsey_K123) April 20, 2017
What’s more, women are told what to be good at and desire… and then are told they naturally deserve lower pay and benefits because they chose those careers! Yet when women take on support roles, it lets a man’s career come first:
Is your husband ok w you getting your doctorate before him? Doesn’t that offend his sense of masculinity? #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Kate Howard (@KHowCville) April 20, 2017
People even worry if a woman has a stronger sense of purpose than her partner:
“That’s great your wife has a calling, but what are you going to do?” to my husband at interview for missions #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Alyssa Bream (@AlyssaJoy22) April 20, 2017
I suspect there’s a fear that if both parties pursue direct impact on the world, the balance of authority will shift. In addition, men will lose the convenience of a flexible, nurturing partner at home or be expected to sacrifice in the same way that women do:
(to my husband) “If she is ordained, your wife will be too busy working and studying to make your dinner” #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— artsyhonker/Kathryn (@artsyhonker) April 20, 2017
#ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear “But if you go back to college, your children and husband will have to sacrifice. It’s not fair to them.”
— Derenda Ropp (@ScWren) April 19, 2017
But if you don’t change your last name, it will damage your unity [with your husband as head of the family].#ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Victoria Pearson (@VictoireAllHail) April 19, 2017
While churches also lose the unpaid labor of wives and stay-at-home volunteers:
“We really need to hire this guy as assistant pastor. His wife has some very useful skills.” #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Melody Hewko (@MelodyHewko) April 19, 2017
Paid lead pastor. Unpaid wife. Same education and experience. He “preached” & she “taught”. Totes undervalued. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Jana Craft, Ph.D. (@drjanacraft) April 20, 2017
Submission
In addition, we have an ideology (set of beliefs and ways of thinking) that says women should submit to men.
(Side note:: without debating in detail, I’ll say that we all want to read the Bible clearly, yet we all read through our existing beliefs, just as we drink water through a whole utility system that leads to our glasses. We pick up loads of history, misunderstandings, grabs for power, and cultural assumptions without even realizing it. For this reason, it helps to stop and think what Paul, a 1st century Roman citizen, had picked up about the natural order of things // master>slave, male>female, Jew>gentile // in his society, before we assume his wisdom about living well in that order suits people in every society).
Anyway, the idea that women should submit ends up meaning they can never lead men, or always need a stronger man over them:
Being told I cannot pray at dinner because I would be usurping authority over my dad and brothers. I was 5. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Jess Duncan (@jessdunc3) April 20, 2017
“Only widowed women may serve on the advisory board. We can’t put a woman in leadership over her husband.” #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Pandia Graves (@PandiaGraves) April 20, 2017
In the South, actually happened: “wait, you are in Seminary? Why?” “To be a pastor.” “… Are you Christian?” #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Kim Peterson (@kimincrete) April 20, 2017
U’re hve to be a pastor’s wife bc u’ve got too mch biblical knwldge. The only man who can lead u is a pastor.#ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Irene M. Cho (@irenemcho) April 20, 2017
Submit to your husband’s bad choices and God will protect you from the consequences. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear#DoesntWorkThatWay
— Barbara Gregory (@rhubee) April 20, 2017
“You and your husband are equals, but he makes the final decisions in your marriage.” #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear#Hypocrisy
— Emily Davis Williams (@emilydwill14) April 19, 2017
It’s not that we think women are inferior, it’s just that women are called to be submissive to men. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Margaret (@SingleandSane1) April 19, 2017
We further support these ideas by assuming two people can’t co-lead. We then ask women to step back from the give and take of 21st century partnership, which is (like Paul’s inequality) the existing social order of our time:
But if your husband doesn’t have the final say, how will you make decisions when you don’t agree?#ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Katelyn E. (@KeMowelli) April 20, 2017
your leadership qualities don’t have a place in marriage. create a vacuum so that your husband will step up #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Meg O’Hearn-Davidson (@megohdav) April 20, 2017
There’s freedom in submission. Sure, as long as it’s mutual. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Jana Craft, Ph.D. (@drjanacraft) April 19, 2017
Ownership
Where does this come from? I’d argue that it’s an artifact of ancient agricultural ownership, common in both ancient Israel and Rome, where men owned women as chattel. Quickly, women are cherished for their desirability, an advertisement of a man’s value and a possession for his use and enjoyment:
Your body belongs to your husband and god. You are only a caregiver for it. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Jess (@words_by_jess) April 20, 2017
“You are your husband’s primary possession so you need to stay fit.” #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Smellin’ Coffee (@smellin_coffee) April 20, 2017
Appearance
This leads to a focus on her appearance, not his:
Fat male pastor: “Motherhood is no excuse to let your body go. You have a responsibility to your husband” #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Lilith Vashti (@LilithVashti) April 20, 2017
Dress in such a way that your husband always finds you attractive, but other men never do. Good luck. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Lilith Vashti (@LilithVashti) April 20, 2017
Mind-boggling.
One assumes women would also appreciate a husband like the man in Song of Songs, “like a gazelle, graceful; like a young stag, virile” … uhh, just go read Song of Songs 5:10-16. I have yet to hear it preached to the men of the congregation.
However, spiritual leaders do like to boast in the beauty of their catch, their wives, their sidekicks:
“So, have you met my smokin’ hot wife?” #thingsonlychristianwomenhear#fromtheirpastors
— Claire D. Frederick (@FrederickClaire) April 20, 2017
OMG, we’d make jokes about how “Andhislovelywife” was part of speaker’s wives first names because of this. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHearhttps://t.co/pRyaWxCgW6
— Kathryn Brightbill✒ (@KEBrightbill) April 20, 2017
Sexuality
Asking women to focus on appearance and desirability leads into interesting ideas on sex. For instance, the myth that women want and enjoy it less:
“You shouldn’t expect to enjoy sex as much as your husband. God created sex for his enjoyment, not yours” #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Rhyannon Yates (@RhyannonYates) April 20, 2017
This leads to a focus on taming male desire and female desirability. Rather than helping women explore and direct their sexual desires wisely, we focus on things women can do so that men experience them as asexual:
Men learn how they are sexual beings and how to resist porn. Women learn how to be modest & help men be chaste #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Sarah Wheatley (@sarahwheat92) April 20, 2017
#ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear : literally nothing ever about female masturbation.
— Greta With An E (@weirdnameblog) April 20, 2017
Boys, it’s time for your sex talk. Girls, it’s time for your modesty talk. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Lindsey Melden (@lmelden) April 20, 2017
Youth camp, in gender groups: Guys: let’s talk about your sexuality. Girls: let’s talk about guys’ sexuality. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Bethany (@mcbethany77) April 19, 2017
“My husband is struggling with lust for your underage daughter. Please have her dress more modestly. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Lilith Vashti (@LilithVashti) April 20, 2017
Here, being desirable but not sexy and still pure is essential, as if we were pawns in a 15th-century-political-marriage-begetting-heirs game:
There’s no sin so big that God can’t redeem it.
Except your purity.
Give that up and you’re screwed. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear— Jessica Delgado (@whosthatgiirrl) April 20, 2017
At the extreme, this leads to blaming abuse victims, whether male or female. Surely they could have been less sweet and beautiful, and more… aggressive and dominant?
Confess the sin that caused your rape #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Shikonmaris (@shikonmaris) April 19, 2017
Not feeling it?
Conservative Christian subculture also has hella sexual hypocrisy around the idea of “mutual.” Women are urged to enjoy sex even when they don’t want it, but men aren’t asked to enthusiastically please their sexually-driven partner whenever they’re not feeling it:
Apart from your period, you should never refuse your husband sex. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Mindy Duncan (@mindymproject) April 20, 2017
#ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear “the key to a great marriage is you need to die to self and have sex with your husband whenever he wants”
— Perfect Number (@pnumber628) April 19, 2017
#ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear “If you don’t have sex w/ you husband every time he wants it, it’s your fault if he cheats-be submissive.”
— Courtney Vrablik (@SalvagePie) April 19, 2017
Women are expected to make life decisions around getting one of these men, preferably the “not all Christians…” better sort:
You’ll never find your husband if you’re at the wrong YWAM base. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Holly Nations (@HollyNations) April 19, 2017
Yet when they have sex, they’re also expected to care for and not give up any resulting children. My own father (!) suggested last Christmas that a woman’s life and well-being can’t be automatically placed above that of an embryo. (Argument: sacrifice means giving up our self-interest.)
#ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
If your husband wants sex that’s his right, but if you want an abortion you should have kept your legs closed.— Catherine Lloyd (@yothisiscat) April 20, 2017
#ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear On #Abortion: “No matter the circumstance, the baby should always be put before the mother”.
— Katie Havlik (@KatieMarie_131) April 20, 2017
This, of course, is because women’s choices are made primarily for/in reference to children;
Only married women can volunteer in kid ministry because we can’t allow you to get baby fever before marriage #thingsonlychristianwomenhear
— Wasteland Rose (@wasteland_rose) April 20, 2017
Sometimes God calls people to be single for their entire life so they can take care of other women&kids #thingsonlychristianwomenhear
— Moriah Conant (@owls2fly) April 20, 2017
Different Roles
These beliefs in essential gender differences lead to segregated responsibilities and church activities:
“The men are going on a retreat to fast and pray while the women are having a color analysis party!” #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Andie Redwine (@AndieRedwine) April 20, 2017
Me: I hate working the toddler room. Him: <blink> <blink> <unable to process this> #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Jana Craft, Ph.D. (@drjanacraft) April 20, 2017
You’d be great in an admin role. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Jana Craft, Ph.D. (@drjanacraft) April 19, 2017
This is true regardless of a person’s talents, and in contrast to the Biblical story in which Mary ignored her homemaking, coffee-brewing, and child-rearing responsibilities to debate theology with the men:
A gal wanting theological conversation of the mens group told to attend womens group to learn to fold.napkins #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Maggie Higgins Mraz (@mmrazing) April 20, 2017
These differences also make women too emotional to lead:
Male pastor tears up, others applaud warmth
Female pastor tears up, hears “Women are too emotional to lead”#ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear— Dawn (@dgentry1905) April 19, 2017
While men are too emotionally delicate to withstand women who make more money (and too confused to be able to learn from someone not like them…)
You should never make more $ than your husband. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear. Ok church, pay my husband more! 😂
— BoldRach4X (@BoldRach4X) April 19, 2017
“I’d never be able to have a female pastor, I just couldn’t relate.” #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— rachel (@racheltastic) April 20, 2017
In other words, ambition’s not okay in girls. However, women can lead as long as we remember it’s an exception–a second-best until a suitable guy comes along:
“Ambition isn’t godly.” #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Sarah Bessey (@sarahbessey) April 19, 2017
The only reason God calls women to high level leadership is bc men have abdicated their rightful position#ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Jeanne Macbeth (@JeanneMacbeth) April 20, 2017
We’ll ordain you to preach & lead if you go overseas or serve a non-English speaking church, but not here. #ThingsOnlyChristianWomenHear
— Dan Stringer (@StringerDan) April 20, 2017
# Things Christian Women Should Hear
It’s not that every one of these is so bad, of course — and many quotes contain a grain of insight. The problem is that all the little distortions, over time, impose an immense weight and burden on both genders–and in a way that may not be spiritually wise at all. So what do we do?
If you’ve read (or skimmed) this far, there’s hope ahead — read on for things men and women should be hearing from the church!
Glad to see these postings but sad to see how little has changed through the decades.
Thanks for tagging my friend. It made these posts come up in my feed and brought my attention to this heartbreaking and awesome conversation.